. >> can i just talk for a moment about the fiscal cliff because you're one of the people who went in to see the president. give me the sense it. the president's mind because you have known him and you have been invited in. what do you tell him. what does he say? what makes you think this is doable? >> charlie, i was very encouraged in the last few meetings with the president because he really is looking for a comprehensive solution that deals with the revenue side and expense side. also clearly appreciates it will be a bipartisan solution. but the other thing that i really, really appreciate is the fact that he's looking through the lens of economic development. what do we do to keep improving the business environment so that the economy can accelerate. that's the most important thing. >> hat do you make of when you hear the speaker, john boehner over the weekend say we haven't made any progress at all. we're at a stalemate. does that worry you? >> well, i think it's clearly coming together on a joint solution and there's going to be a lot of gives and takes. but it will take everybo